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we know that for afghanistan. as we begin to draw down, what thauz that mean for their path to peace and stability and progress? american businesses will tell you if we want them to invest there, they won't do it without the presence of american security, that's very important for our government to know. >> are american businesses really willing to invest in afghanistan? >> they are. one of the most recent projects is with kate spade. kate spade has gone into afghanistan in the last year. they surveyed what tn opportunities are there for marketable products and going te marketableable products, and afghanistan has the third largest producer of cashmere, and they want a product made by afghan women and sold in kate spade stores here and online and they are willing to invest a lot of money i might add, but they have the support of the u.s. government and the u.s. military to give them access. >> anita mcbride, what a pleasure to see you again. >> thank you so much. >>> what political stories will be making headlines
we know that for afghanistan. as we begin to draw down, what thauz that mean for their path to peace and stability and progress? american businesses will tell you if we want them to invest there, they won't do it without the presence of american security, that's very important for our government to know. >> are american businesses really willing to invest in afghanistan? >> they are. one of the most recent projects is with kate spade. kate spade has gone into afghanistan in the last...
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i was really struck by a cartoon this week that had the leaders of iraq and afghanistan, maliki and karzai, looking at our debt ceiling debate and saying do you think they'll ever be ready for democracy? you know, the fact is that we've got people who have been elected, house members have been elected in gerrymandered, much more partisan districts. they're more worried about being challenged in a primary than running against the democrat. you've got both caucuses now much more ideological because the census the democrats were defeated in the last round. so, this whole thing fell apart. john boehner and barack obama probably could have come together on something. they could not lead their caucuses, and boehner is a different kind of speaker. he has not the ability or the desire to go out and say this is the deal, my way or the highway. you're not going to get on this, you're not going to get on that, you're not going to have a good office. the old enforcement mechanisms, as much as we dislike them and used to criticize them, they worked. leaders could demand followship. here, there's an exi
i was really struck by a cartoon this week that had the leaders of iraq and afghanistan, maliki and karzai, looking at our debt ceiling debate and saying do you think they'll ever be ready for democracy? you know, the fact is that we've got people who have been elected, house members have been elected in gerrymandered, much more partisan districts. they're more worried about being challenged in a primary than running against the democrat. you've got both caucuses now much more ideological...
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this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and unless it sent roe v. wade back to the courts for decision to take choice away from women. this element is prevalent in the united states right now, and we can't kid ourselves, because it is extremism under the form of christianity. >> thank you, frank. >>> and now, like the fall of communism, some are beginning to suggest that multiculturalism has had the day. in the last few months a number of world leaders from prime minister david cameron in the uk to chancellor angel la ameria mm germany have spoken of the fall of this. and just as europe have developed a single currency and tried to be a unified union
this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and...
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been wanting to take a trip to the middle east, or i know you've been wanting to be on the missions to afghanistan, and that would turn a corner. >> or something with a base in their district. that does not work with this tea party caucus. that according to jeff blake, republican, was saying last night. that is refreshing in a lot of regards. this is the reform that a lot of people want. but the question is, has it gone too far. does it go beyond the limits of what is reasonable and what is gettable. and are they going to, you know, give up the goods trying to get the perfect here because they do have the offer of cuts, the trillion -- up to a trillion dollars in the boehner bill and more that they gave up in the earlier compromise that was rejected last week. and, you know, they could have gotten up to $4 trillion. now it will be a lot less. they could get $4 trillion just by giving up the bush tax cuts. there are a lot of options here, but they're not willing to concede -- that group is not willing to concede any kind of revenue changes and that has been one of the sticking points. the other sti
been wanting to take a trip to the middle east, or i know you've been wanting to be on the missions to afghanistan, and that would turn a corner. >> or something with a base in their district. that does not work with this tea party caucus. that according to jeff blake, republican, was saying last night. that is refreshing in a lot of regards. this is the reform that a lot of people want. but the question is, has it gone too far. does it go beyond the limits of what is reasonable and what...
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confirming it ises they're going to take the trillion dollars save from the drawdowns of wars in iraq and afghanistan, apply that ta the biden framework. i talked to harry reid's office today. couldn't get a yes or no answer on that. i did get out of leadership aides they're not going to impb kblud the entitlement reforms that president obama had offered. there's no raising of the medicare eligibility age. there's no means testing. you're looking at steep domestic discretionary cuts.ç >> sounds as though what harry reid is you can tag about doing is taking the most volatile issues off the table for now. but is he putting up enough that's actually hard wired because if you talk about notional savings from wars that haven't been drawn down yet, a lot of things can happen between now and then. >> that savings started showing up when president obama presented his first budget it's always been seen as a little gimmicky. the house guys have been very reluctant to count it. it's not money that we're planning to spend. after their guys felt like they were sort of misled during the cr fight about how much w
confirming it ises they're going to take the trillion dollars save from the drawdowns of wars in iraq and afghanistan, apply that ta the biden framework. i talked to harry reid's office today. couldn't get a yes or no answer on that. i did get out of leadership aides they're not going to impb kblud the entitlement reforms that president obama had offered. there's no raising of the medicare eligibility age. there's no means testing. you're looking at steep domestic discretionary cuts.ç...
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making headlines today, the mayor of kandahar is the second elected official to be assassinated in afghanistan in only two weeks. president car save's half brother was the first. officials say that the mayor was killed today inside a government compound by a suicide bomber. >>> britain has officially recognized libya's main opposition group as the legitimate government. >>> meanwhile in tripoli the convicted lockerbie bomber was spotted in a featured seat at a progadhafi rally. he was released from a scottish prison on so-called compassionate grounds nearly two years ago after his lawyers argued that he was dying of prostate cancer. he's apaurptly still very much with us. 270 people died on pan am flight 103 over scotland more than 22 years ago. >>> and ground zero first responders sufferingç from cancr will not be compensated by the government for their illness. a federal medical team reports there is not enough evidence to show a cause and effect connection linking their cancer directly to their exposure to dust and debris. the finding means as of now they do not qualify for federal benefit
making headlines today, the mayor of kandahar is the second elected official to be assassinated in afghanistan in only two weeks. president car save's half brother was the first. officials say that the mayor was killed today inside a government compound by a suicide bomber. >>> britain has officially recognized libya's main opposition group as the legitimate government. >>> meanwhile in tripoli the convicted lockerbie bomber was spotted in a featured seat at a progadhafi...
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it includes savings from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know that some republicans will quibble over these savings but they have no leg to stand on. but wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cut for the conduct and the worst ads to our debt, to is undeniable that winding down the war's delivers savings. the administration tells us with the wind down, they can't prosecute -- they can count on billions of dollars over the next decade the cbo count $1.67 trillion. we know the republicans agree theythis mstath because included the same settings in the ryan budget that passed the house. they never criticized that accounting and it is hard to see how they could do so now. lastly, senator reid's proposal allows for a joint committee that has the potential to achieve deeper savings down the road. all in all, this is an offer that republicans cannot refuse. all of the cuts in center repots proposal have been supported at one point or another by re
it includes savings from winding down the wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know that some republicans will quibble over these savings but they have no leg to stand on. but wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cut for the conduct and the worst ads to our debt, to is undeniable that winding down the war's delivers savings. the administration tells us with the wind down, they can't prosecute --...
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today harry reid counting savings in his plan from our drawdown in iraq and afghanistan. that sounds good. banking and expected trillion dollars that won't be spent when we withdraw from iraq and afghanistan. the only number crunchers say think can get that is with withdrawals. the plan is raising broader questions about our role in the middle east. the future in the region, and every president's propensity to proclaim their desire to get us out of the middle east while escalating and investing war in oil-richç monarchies that we depend on or energy resources. our specialist today, an award-winning journalist who spent four decades coving terrorism, turmoil and most recently the drive for democracy in the islamic world. her new book "rock the casbah" documenting you new counterjihad. we welcome you to the conversation. tell wlaus a countergee shaud? >> the most important wave of empowerment in the early 21st century. we soo it play out in the uprising across the arab world but also happen kind of culture change, ridiculing extremists. plays out among playwrighting and p
today harry reid counting savings in his plan from our drawdown in iraq and afghanistan. that sounds good. banking and expected trillion dollars that won't be spent when we withdraw from iraq and afghanistan. the only number crunchers say think can get that is with withdrawals. the plan is raising broader questions about our role in the middle east. the future in the region, and every president's propensity to proclaim their desire to get us out of the middle east while escalating and investing...
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. >> neil: and the trillions they are talking about is baked into the cake with iraq and afghanistan. >> if i was a betting guy, they have to downgrade. >> neil: interesting. the pressure is on this gentlemen, john boehner, reacting to the president signing onboard harry reid's plan. >> our members have a two-step approach, cutting, spending and avoiding an economic collapse as a result of a default. we believe it is a responsible common sense plan that meets our obligations to the american people. and preserves the full, faith and credit of the united states government. this legislation reflects a bipartisan negotiation over the weekend. with our colleagues in the senate. as a result, of this bipartisan negotiation, i would call this plan less than perfect. but, it does ensure that the spending cuts will be greater than the hike in the debt limit. secondly, there are no tax increases that are part of this plan. it is not cut, cap and balance, but it is built on the principles of cut, cap and balance, that can pass the united states senate, as well as the united states house. time is
. >> neil: and the trillions they are talking about is baked into the cake with iraq and afghanistan. >> if i was a betting guy, they have to downgrade. >> neil: interesting. the pressure is on this gentlemen, john boehner, reacting to the president signing onboard harry reid's plan. >> our members have a two-step approach, cutting, spending and avoiding an economic collapse as a result of a default. we believe it is a responsible common sense plan that meets our...
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is anyone safe in afghanistan? really safe? >> well, not... we can't say that anyone is safe in this country. >> reporter: mar rown mir runs the afghan center for policy studies. >> they have decided not to face the u.s. military, instead they have focused on terrorist attacks on civilians, government, institutions. >> reporter: in two suicide attacks the taliban unleashed a surprising new weapon that allowed them to get past police and security-- bombs hidden in turbans. there are checkpoints all across kabul. it's common to pull people out of vehicles, to frisk them and search the vehicles themselves but as you can see, it's incredibly uncommon to search under a turban. to remove a turban in public would be considered an insult. it was an explosive-laden turban that killed the kandahar mayor yesterday. and just last week, koofi herself was invited to a gathering where two people were killed. have you changed any way that you go about life because of these threats? >> i did a little bit. but, you know, when it comes to assassination and plann
is anyone safe in afghanistan? really safe? >> well, not... we can't say that anyone is safe in this country. >> reporter: mar rown mir runs the afghan center for policy studies. >> they have decided not to face the u.s. military, instead they have focused on terrorist attacks on civilians, government, institutions. >> reporter: in two suicide attacks the taliban unleashed a surprising new weapon that allowed them to get past police and security-- bombs hidden in...
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soldiers on the frontline in afghanistan asked the chairman of the joint chief of staffs if they will get their checks if the government defaults. president obama talked with mitch mcconnell and met with all sides to try to beat the clock and strike the deal. >> jessica, we heard earlier on they needed about a week after the deal was passed so they could get it to the president's desk for signature. if they get a deal in the next day or on monday, do they still have time to get this signed and so we avoid this default? >> well, there certainly are still procedural things that would have to happen before they do so but at this point every person i've talk to says if they have a deal in hand they will make it happen. no one here in washington wants to see the nation default on its debt, ann. >> we are talking about talks at the white house. we have heard about those talks before. what do you know about those? any progress being made? >> reporter: it doesn't appear so. there were about 90 minutes this afternoon at the white house with nancy pelosi, senator harry reid spending that time t
soldiers on the frontline in afghanistan asked the chairman of the joint chief of staffs if they will get their checks if the government defaults. president obama talked with mitch mcconnell and met with all sides to try to beat the clock and strike the deal. >> jessica, we heard earlier on they needed about a week after the deal was passed so they could get it to the president's desk for signature. if they get a deal in the next day or on monday, do they still have time to get this...
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troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing the uniform, listening to bombs go off around them. that's why today we have with us some -- what is referred to you by you press folks as real people. i guess we're not. we have students like laura and sydney, veterans like bill and roger and carlos, arianna, who is a senior, guillermo, who say senior, lucia, a senior, felicia is a senior, mary ellen is a senior, alisa is a senior, they're here representing the millions of people around this country who are as brave as the soldiers on the front lines in afghanistan.
troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rock the city around them, was the top u.s. military officer couldn't answer. a question he couldn't answer. will we -- these are soldiers in afghanistan with bombs bursting around them and here is what the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said. and i quote, i actually don't know the answer to that question. i noknow mike mcmullen responde while at the same time saying continuing to work each day, wearing...
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barbara, a very dramatic development today in afghanistan. mullen goes there and troops start asking him, troops who are risking their lives fighting for the united states in afghanistan, will they be paid next week? >> these are young troops, wolf, in combat. you and i have covered the pentagon for a long time. they are on the front lines. the chairman of the joint chiefs spend the day in afghanistan. he wants to talk about the war. the troops have a different idea in mind. they want to know will they get paid and will their families be taken care of. this is just the beginning because now with all the talk in washington about money, money, money, the pentagon itself is right in the cross hairs. the pentagon spend nearly $700 billion a year on wars, fighter jets, bombings and bullets. rich target to cut spending to reduce the deficit. president obama's incoming top military advisor is playing ball to an extent. >> if we don't show we recognize that the nation has a significant economic problem and then do our part whatever that part may be t
barbara, a very dramatic development today in afghanistan. mullen goes there and troops start asking him, troops who are risking their lives fighting for the united states in afghanistan, will they be paid next week? >> these are young troops, wolf, in combat. you and i have covered the pentagon for a long time. they are on the front lines. the chairman of the joint chiefs spend the day in afghanistan. he wants to talk about the war. the troops have a different idea in mind. they want to...
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, and also in iraq, but the once that mik was covering in afghanistan are asking, are we going to get paid? and they're living paycheck to paycheck. and tahey've got families back home that are relying on those paychecks. and for them to be told by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullen, who is a really stand-up guy for the troops, that he cannot assure them that they're going to get their pay, that brought it home, i think, more powerfully than anything that has happened in this debate. and if the men and women in the senate and the men and women in the house were watching television tonight and saw that, they ought to be hanging their heads. >> chuck, what do you think the surprises we can expect over the next 12 hours to be? would it be the fact that it's going to be -- we may see the reid bill go away completely, and hearing that these negotiations continue with the white house, it could be something that's more evolved out of mitch mcconnell's own doing? >> look, that has always been the hope here out of the senate with a lot of senators, democrat and republican a
, and also in iraq, but the once that mik was covering in afghanistan are asking, are we going to get paid? and they're living paycheck to paycheck. and tahey've got families back home that are relying on those paychecks. and for them to be told by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullen, who is a really stand-up guy for the troops, that he cannot assure them that they're going to get their pay, that brought it home, i think, more powerfully than anything that has happened in...
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items balancing the budget eventually is a $1 trillion we are going to save from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a peace dividend. now in the deliberations, republicans say that does not count any longer. having voted for it. so there is more than a little inconsistency all the way are around. that'll it is serious when you hear some members, a freshman, and some of the people campaigning for president, saying that you really do not have to raise the debt ceiling. and you would not really compromise anything much. but the truth is, the facts showed you can pay off the entitlements, but then you cannot pay soldiers in the field. you cannot have a justice department. you cannot have anybody looking at whether your borders are sick. you cannot have education. you cannot pay anything if you pay those bills and interest on bonds. that is it. >> that is why i think the good news in as bad situation is john boehner saying he still thinks we can get a big deal. >> the rupert murdoch scandal may have cost the atlantic. at the department of justice and all kinds of federal agencies will be going after th
items balancing the budget eventually is a $1 trillion we are going to save from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. a peace dividend. now in the deliberations, republicans say that does not count any longer. having voted for it. so there is more than a little inconsistency all the way are around. that'll it is serious when you hear some members, a freshman, and some of the people campaigning for president, saying that you really do not have to raise the debt ceiling. and you would not really...
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i mean, spending at its height in iraq and afghanistan. in addition, if i understand correctly, $400 billion in interest that we would not need to pay because of the elimination of this phantom $1 trillion. so right from the beginning, you're starting about half as many, quote, unquote, cuts as nor reid suggests that are there. i think, you know, that's a nonstarter. if that passes the house, it passes because all the democrats pass and some republicans vote for it. i can't imagine that republicans would vote for something that's obviously that phony. >> there are doubts whether he could get the 60 votes needed to move it past in the democratic-controlled senate. >> if miles an hour mcconnell wants to draw the line on this issue he can prevent this plan from getting 60 votes. democrats need seven republicans to join them to get 60. republicans need 13 democrats. in this case, in today's politics, 13 is the smaller number. >> and let's remember why we're here. harry reid had an opportunity back in december of 2010 to bring up the debt limit
i mean, spending at its height in iraq and afghanistan. in addition, if i understand correctly, $400 billion in interest that we would not need to pay because of the elimination of this phantom $1 trillion. so right from the beginning, you're starting about half as many, quote, unquote, cuts as nor reid suggests that are there. i think, you know, that's a nonstarter. if that passes the house, it passes because all the democrats pass and some republicans vote for it. i can't imagine that...
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the reid plan says we won't be in iraq and afghanistan. that's $1 trillion. we'll have a commission. that will save us $$1 billion. those aren't real. >>> the problem you have is ideological purity. when you sit here and look at the congressional budget office, made it clear that if the bush tax cuts were not extended, all of them, deficit goes down. if you extend all of them, $3.3 trillion increase over ten years. that's fact will we won't sit here and debate a fact. it is a fact. and so on democratic side, it is crazy to sit here and say we have no issue with medicare, medicaid. no issue with social security. you have rising costs. at some point you cannot have people on the democratic side and the republican side say absolutely not. i'm not giving up anything. you have to be able to give up something. >> the republicans were willing, at least until recently. you heard john boehner, the speaker of the house saying he was willing for $800 billion in tax revenue. increases in taxes in effect. that's not ideological purity. >> right. could he sell that to his
the reid plan says we won't be in iraq and afghanistan. that's $1 trillion. we'll have a commission. that will save us $$1 billion. those aren't real. >>> the problem you have is ideological purity. when you sit here and look at the congressional budget office, made it clear that if the bush tax cuts were not extended, all of them, deficit goes down. if you extend all of them, $3.3 trillion increase over ten years. that's fact will we won't sit here and debate a fact. it is a fact. and...
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obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghanistan, and they're wondering why their congressmen and women back home can't come up with a decision and can't help them actually receive their paychecks. alex? >> so, atia, then did they get reassurance at all? >> reporter: well, that was the interesting part. i wasn't actually down in kandahar with them, but from the reporters who were out there, they said admiral mullen didn't really have an answer for them. but what he did say he kind of made a joke out of it and said you should probably write letters to your congressmen and women. and that received chuckles from the crowd, because they realized as well, how ridiculous that is, because they're in a war zone. they're here risking their lives. but at the same time, they're also worried about thei
obviously the americans here in afghanistan, very worried about what's going on in washington. many of these men and women haven't seen their families for several months. many won't see them for a full year and they're wondering if those family members are going to be getting those paychecks. they're risking their lives here in afghanistan, and they're wondering why their congressmen and women back home can't come up with a decision and can't help them actually receive their paychecks. alex?...
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troops in afghanistan. when joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen made an unnonsed visit to afghanistan, some soldiers asked about how the debt crisis would affect their paychecks. harry reid talked about the encounter on the senate floor. >> soldiers admiral mullen talked with weren't asking about military strategy or how a drawdown would affect them. they asked whether they would get paid if republicans force the united states to stop paying its bills. the reason that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers, they wondered how they would take care of families if the checks stop coming next month. the troops also pressed mullen on how it would affect military operations. what is it going to take to find a solution to the debt crisis? wolf blitzer and don lemon break down the hurdles and options. don't miss get it done tonight 9:00 eastern only on cnn. >>> i'll be back in one hour from now with the latest from washington as negotiations continue to work out a debt deal before tuesday's
troops in afghanistan. when joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen made an unnonsed visit to afghanistan, some soldiers asked about how the debt crisis would affect their paychecks. harry reid talked about the encounter on the senate floor. >> soldiers admiral mullen talked with weren't asking about military strategy or how a drawdown would affect them. they asked whether they would get paid if republicans force the united states to stop paying its bills. the reason that has been...
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. >> all the people in iraq and afghanistan. that's not so much. $3 billion. people all around the world. what else? >> we have to take care of unemployment insurance. >> although people struggling out there. you know they must be taken care of. that's $13 billion. what else? too snigs. >> well, we have to pay veterans benefits. we have to take care of our veterans. >> we're taking care of our veterans. that's $3 billion more. you can't forget your federal salaries here. all the people who make the government run. are you going to throw those in? >> of course. >> we put those in. what else do you want to pay for here? >> you've got it. people who get irs refunds. what about those people? >> 77% of the country gets irs refunds. we have to take care of those people. you're almost there? what else do you want? >> tuition assistance. education. >> all those young people are going to need jobs. you're over here. and now, do you know what? i showed up at your door. i'm an advocate for the poor in this country. i'm telling you if you don't put in food and nutrition s
. >> all the people in iraq and afghanistan. that's not so much. $3 billion. people all around the world. what else? >> we have to take care of unemployment insurance. >> although people struggling out there. you know they must be taken care of. that's $13 billion. what else? too snigs. >> well, we have to pay veterans benefits. we have to take care of our veterans. >> we're taking care of our veterans. that's $3 billion more. you can't forget your federal salaries...
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. >> our soldiers in afghanistan repeatedly asked admiral mullen yesterday, will we get paid? will our families get your checks? shame on the republicans for making that happen. in battle, when you accidentally shoot your own, it's called friendly fire. when you deliberately shoot your own it's called fraging. republicans stop fraging the american economy and american people. >> luke russert is live on the capitol hill with the latest. we have the senate and house now working hard what's happening? >> right now as you saw, richard, there is a spirited debate on the house floor about harry reid's bill. speaker boehner taking an interesting step. the house will, in fact, vote down harry reid's proposal to raise the nation's debt limit. interesting because harry reid says it is still not a finished product. speaker boehner and eric cantor taking a symbolic step showing the harry reid proposal has nowhere of going in the house. that should go about 2:30 p.m. mitch mcconnell and harry reid spoke on the senate floor back and forth. mitch mcconnell saying in order for there to be a c
. >> our soldiers in afghanistan repeatedly asked admiral mullen yesterday, will we get paid? will our families get your checks? shame on the republicans for making that happen. in battle, when you accidentally shoot your own, it's called friendly fire. when you deliberately shoot your own it's called fraging. republicans stop fraging the american economy and american people. >> luke russert is live on the capitol hill with the latest. we have the senate and house now working hard...
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the afghanistan war, the iraq war are winding down. the office of management budget, congressional budget said if you take $1 trillion it will lower the debt by $1 trillion and allow us to take an additional $200 billion in interest savings, that's what we have in our bill. it's all been done by the nonpartisan congressional budget office. i can't imagine the fact they have voted for, let's see, 230 republicans voted for that in the so-called budget. 40 republicans voted for it. why is it suddenly something they don't want? anyway -- [ question inaudible ] >> your math is terrific. can we get those four is 57 and we've got three more. we get 60. the issue has been now for a week or so a trigger. if the joint committee doesn't come up with a result, what should happen? we've been willing to say that we're happy if we don't arrive at the budget goals with the joint committee that certain things should happen. we've been willing to say there could be a seqestration as long as this includes revenues. we have billionaires and millionaires a
the afghanistan war, the iraq war are winding down. the office of management budget, congressional budget said if you take $1 trillion it will lower the debt by $1 trillion and allow us to take an additional $200 billion in interest savings, that's what we have in our bill. it's all been done by the nonpartisan congressional budget office. i can't imagine the fact they have voted for, let's see, 230 republicans voted for that in the so-called budget. 40 republicans voted for it. why is it...
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a soldier who went awol from kentucky and recently fought a deployment to afghanistan. investigators say they arrested him yesterday after he brought a pistol clip and gun powder, or but the it at a store called guns galore in killeen, texas, the same store where the accused ft. hood shooter purchased his weapons and they found guns and bombmaking equipment in his motel room. and jo, -- now, what else do they know? >> naser jason abdo went awol from kentucky on july 4th after applying for objector status as a muslim to the army. he was granted that status but it was put on hold because the army investigated they found child pornography on his computer. after that hearing, that is when he left the base and he was found in texas and this video provided to us from middle east media research shows an interview that naser jason abdo gave a year ago showing him praying and talking about why he cannot deploy to afghanistan as a muslim and law enforcement sources say when they picked him up they found jihadist materials in a backpack in his motel room and the methodology was ri
a soldier who went awol from kentucky and recently fought a deployment to afghanistan. investigators say they arrested him yesterday after he brought a pistol clip and gun powder, or but the it at a store called guns galore in killeen, texas, the same store where the accused ft. hood shooter purchased his weapons and they found guns and bombmaking equipment in his motel room. and jo, -- now, what else do they know? >> naser jason abdo went awol from kentucky on july 4th after applying for...
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now wright about a man behind the suicide blast in afghanistan that killed seven kooi officers and contractors. happened in december of 2009. tell us about his role in both the cia and al qaeda. >> what's remarkable about this man from the cia's side nobody had seen him. he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his medical conditions he could get into the tribal areas. it helped us on drone strikes. started to get us very close to thinking we could take out senior al qaeda leaders. his information was really good. >> very quickly, you just said nobody had ever seen him, is that how he was able to infiltrate that base? >> when you have a good agent you go to all kind measures to protect his identity. they didn't want anybody to see him. everything was focused on trying to get in man into a cia base before anybody could see him. he had three layers of security without being searched until he was within the presence of a cia off
now wright about a man behind the suicide blast in afghanistan that killed seven kooi officers and contractors. happened in december of 2009. tell us about his role in both the cia and al qaeda. >> what's remarkable about this man from the cia's side nobody had seen him. he was recruited by another agencies the jordanians and sent to pakistan. what was really a mission with little expectations, he wasn't a trained spy. but there was a hope that because he was a doctor because of his...
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>> yeah from this standpoint, safelying we projected we would in the iraq and afghanistan war when we know we are going to be out of there. it is dishonest to say you are going to have savings from something that isn't spent any way. >> greta: what would he said? >> he would probably say the republicans -- the budget never becomes law. if reid's bill would pass it would become law. a budget is nothing than an outline. >> greta: you are saying you did it so we do it? >> probably his argument. >> greta: what do you think the american people would think of that? >> american people are fed up with the partisanship in washington. they want us to reach an agreement. a large share of the calls we've gotten since the president's speech monday night is, just get it done. >> greta: there are a couple of factions. within the republican party in the house, you have the tea party people who say there must be a balanced budget amendment in this bill or we are voting no. that's divided. over here the senate says if the boehner bill comes here it is not likely to pass if it does the president says he
>> yeah from this standpoint, safelying we projected we would in the iraq and afghanistan war when we know we are going to be out of there. it is dishonest to say you are going to have savings from something that isn't spent any way. >> greta: what would he said? >> he would probably say the republicans -- the budget never becomes law. if reid's bill would pass it would become law. a budget is nothing than an outline. >> greta: you are saying you did it so we do it?...
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we have a tax cut that includes getting out of afghanistan and iraq, you oppose the high-end tax cuts and leave social security and medicare alone. one thing that bothers me, they talk about shared sacrifice. i don't think it's shared sacrifice saying somebody making $700,000 a year has to pay a few thousand more taxes, but a 90-year-old woman has to get tax increases. she shouldn't be a part of it. if they leave open the tax question we can accept, i'll accept and vote for more severe reductions in housing and education and the environment i would ideally like. that's a deal that is not fun for anybody. responsible people can support. it can only happen if mcconnell and reid will compromise. will john boehner stand up to his right wing and join us in an effort to make it whole. >> barney frank, i appreciate your time. speaker boehner's speech made it clear. what about the impact of his propo proposed legislation to his own district? >>> welcome back to "the ed show." let's take a closer look what john boehner's bill will do in your own backyard. he represents the 8th district in ohio
we have a tax cut that includes getting out of afghanistan and iraq, you oppose the high-end tax cuts and leave social security and medicare alone. one thing that bothers me, they talk about shared sacrifice. i don't think it's shared sacrifice saying somebody making $700,000 a year has to pay a few thousand more taxes, but a 90-year-old woman has to get tax increases. she shouldn't be a part of it. if they leave open the tax question we can accept, i'll accept and vote for more severe...
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now he's signed on to come back and go to afghanistan. you've got a lot going on behind the scenes as well. >> reporter: that's right. but politically, the thing that is front and center is the debt. these debt talks because it's so tied to the economy. and while he does want to support a vote on libya which is another thing on the docket this week, the irony the president guilted harry reid to calling the senate back in and the first order of business is libya, not the debt talks. because it was the president that guilted congress into coming back this week, at least the house was scheduled to come back tomorrow, you've got to assume he is going to try to do everything he can to jump start a negotiating session. don't forget that's what we're at a deadlock. we're not at a deadlock over plans. we're at a deadlock over the next time these guys are going to talk. that's how far behind these talks are at this point. >> a legendary "the new york times" reporter on this issue reported that they had under the biden talks reached some tentative,
now he's signed on to come back and go to afghanistan. you've got a lot going on behind the scenes as well. >> reporter: that's right. but politically, the thing that is front and center is the debt. these debt talks because it's so tied to the economy. and while he does want to support a vote on libya which is another thing on the docket this week, the irony the president guilted harry reid to calling the senate back in and the first order of business is libya, not the debt talks....
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every latinos -- everybody knows we are winding down a war in afghanistan and iraq. days so, here we are six days away, and we still have members of and congress who are saying we have to pass the balanced budgetdmeno heendment to the constitution. t we have members on the other side who are saying we have tode raise taxes. so we have a president of the come united states who so far has refused to come through with a detailed plan of his own. that's called leading from behind.e it's time, it's time we listen e to the markets and listen to ou, but most of all its time we listen to the american people and sit down and seriously negotiate something before we ae face a situation where we are depriving the american people of the fundamental right of havingd a government that doesn't rvices deprive them the essentials dervices, goods and entitlementk which the government. a madam president, i yield the pr, floor.f >> madame president, i am here today with a sense of optimism.g i know all of us are very cntry, concerned about what's happening in the country, the debt ceilin
every latinos -- everybody knows we are winding down a war in afghanistan and iraq. days so, here we are six days away, and we still have members of and congress who are saying we have to pass the balanced budgetdmeno heendment to the constitution. t we have members on the other side who are saying we have tode raise taxes. so we have a president of the come united states who so far has refused to come through with a detailed plan of his own. that's called leading from behind.e it's time, it's...
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, this is his 15th trip to afghanistan. and probably one of the last ones. i'm pretty sure this is one of the last questions that he expected, but apparently it was the biggest question that he received among the sailors, the soldiers, the airmen and the marines. he was quite honest with them when he said he didn't know what this meant for their paycheck. these are men and women in afghanistan, here months at a time, sometimes years at a time away from their families, expecting a paycheck, expecting a paycheck for fighting for their country. on top of worrying about ieds and rpgs, now they have to worry about whether they will be paid and their families will be provided for. >> since we're talking about this and luke was talking about what's happening on the hill, are there a lot of questions coming from those serving in the military, contractors that are in afghanistan, war theaters abroad, what have you heard in terms of what's happening here in washington? >> reporter: what most americans here that aren't in the armed fo
, this is his 15th trip to afghanistan. and probably one of the last ones. i'm pretty sure this is one of the last questions that he expected, but apparently it was the biggest question that he received among the sailors, the soldiers, the airmen and the marines. he was quite honest with them when he said he didn't know what this meant for their paycheck. these are men and women in afghanistan, here months at a time, sometimes years at a time away from their families, expecting a paycheck,...
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troops in afghanistan have a question for the nation's top military man. will they get paid? his answer, coming up on msnbc saturday. [ barks ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ whistles ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ ting! ] [ male announcer ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about and save money with multi-policy discounts. are you getting the coverage you need and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage or visit travelers.com. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scientists are behind it. you'll get all-day relief. for your tired achy feet. for locations, see drscholls.com. thank you... ♪ going to the bank without going to the bank... that's a step forward. with chase quickdeposit on your smartphone, you just snap a picture, hit send and done. chase quickdeposit. take a step forward and chase what matters. ♪ we just keep on keepin' on ♪ ♪ keep on >>> well kol back to msnbc saturday. we have new word from president obama this morning on the debt crisis
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thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a target for a long time and was attacked to avenge the death of two children who they claim were killed during demolition work in the city. >>> still ahead onw "way too early." a play at the plate in the 19th inning where the umpire quite simply wanted to get back to the hotel and go to bed. wait till you see this one. >>> and we continue our celebration of the second anniversary of "way too early" with a look at some of the great moments of the last year and a mystery celebrity caller who's up watching this program each and every morning. we'll get her on the phone and get a check on weath
thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a...
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. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol, capitol hill deadlock, the debt crisis weighs heavily on troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rocked the city around them, was one a top united states military officer couldn't answer -- will we get paid?" admiral mullen went on to say, "i don't know the answer to that question. but either way, those soldiers, all of you must continue to work every day." this is really unacceptable. a country as rich and powerful as ours, men and women with bombs going off arnold them, shouldn't wonder if this country would leave them high and dry. this afternoon i've aske
. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol,...
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won't have the snappy dialogue we're used to here in the states, but it is expected to premiere in afghanistan's largest television network, so there is that. while i'm not totally convinced that they'll be able to care the michael scold torch, i do have a bigger concern. who will play dwight? >>> next, beer brats and business advice. we'll take you into the man cave. ♪ born to be wild uh-huh. jeff! honey, i can't walk any faster. [ female announcer ] oscar mayer deli fresh turkey comes in a clear pack... [ cellphone beeps ] [ jeff ] ooh. thanks hun! [ female announcer ] ...so the freshness you see is what you taste. ♪ it doesn't get better than this ♪ [ female announcer ] ...so the freshness you see is what you taste. purina cat chow helps you well-being. we're all striving for it. nurture it in your cat with a full family of excellent nutrition and helpful resources. purina cat chow. share a better life. at liberty mutual, we know how much you count on your car and how much the people in your life count on you. that's why we offer accident forgiveness, man: good job. where your price won
won't have the snappy dialogue we're used to here in the states, but it is expected to premiere in afghanistan's largest television network, so there is that. while i'm not totally convinced that they'll be able to care the michael scold torch, i do have a bigger concern. who will play dwight? >>> next, beer brats and business advice. we'll take you into the man cave. ♪ born to be wild uh-huh. jeff! honey, i can't walk any faster. [ female announcer ] oscar mayer deli fresh turkey...
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in afghanistan. >> and that's not all. take a look at the government checks and electronic payments that went out in the month of june. medicare claims are at the top of the list. they accounted for 100 million checks, 70 million of those to doctors, the rest to other providers, like hospitals and labs. second on the list, the category that you're hearing most about, more than 56 million social security payments were made in june. also in the top five, more than 6 million checks and payments to active duty and retired defense personnel. there's worry that the sheer number of payments going out have dulled lawmakers and agencies in washington to the reality of exactly what the government is spending. >> i don't believe that there really is a realization that this is really real money. one of the basic prerequisites of the government is a payment from the government. there isn't a stop payment capability. it's not like a commercial check that can be stopped. >> that means a government-issued check is as good as cash. if you
in afghanistan. >> and that's not all. take a look at the government checks and electronic payments that went out in the month of june. medicare claims are at the top of the list. they accounted for 100 million checks, 70 million of those to doctors, the rest to other providers, like hospitals and labs. second on the list, the category that you're hearing most about, more than 56 million social security payments were made in june. also in the top five, more than 6 million checks and...
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and it includes savings from winding down wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know some republicans will quibble over these savings, but they have no legs to stand on. the wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cuts. if conducting the war's adds to our debt, it is undeniable that winding down the wars deliver savings. the administration tells us with the wind down in iraq and afghanistan, they can prosecute the war is on about $630 billion over the next decade. the cbo assumes $1.67 trillion on more funding through 2021. by adopting the lower administration number, we can save over $1 trillion. we know the republicans agree with this math, because they included the exact same savings in the paul ryan budget that passed the house. they never criticized such accounting then. it is hard to see how they could do so now. last, senator reid's proposal allows for a joint committee that has the potential to achieve even deeper savings down the road. all in all, this is
and it includes savings from winding down wars in iraq and afghanistan. these are real savings that cbo scores at about $1 trillion. we know some republicans will quibble over these savings, but they have no legs to stand on. the wars are the second biggest policy driver of our deficits after the bush tax cuts. if conducting the war's adds to our debt, it is undeniable that winding down the wars deliver savings. the administration tells us with the wind down in iraq and afghanistan, they can...
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you know, people who think we can continue to spend tens and tens of billions of dollars in iraq and afghanistan, over a hundred million a year, pour be money into corruption that doesn't help. they can't find 150 or 200 million to regulate derivative. today, this afternoon, a few hours ago, they voted in committee and i think people will be astonished by this. to reduce the legal liability we try to put on the rating agencies. the rating agents are a big part of this problem. paid by the people who are issuing the security and they gave me outlandishing favorable ratings that turn out to be accurate. we said, if you put a rating into a perspective, if i said to you, sharpton, can you guy this and here is what moody's or standard & poor's said about that, they say no -- >> they just voted to repeal that so you can't vote for having misinformation on that? >> it would be much harder. you have to show, al, that they were knowingly reckless. the fact that they were dead wrong, sloppy, careless and you put your money in and bought something worthless, that won't let you do it. you have to -- go thro
you know, people who think we can continue to spend tens and tens of billions of dollars in iraq and afghanistan, over a hundred million a year, pour be money into corruption that doesn't help. they can't find 150 or 200 million to regulate derivative. today, this afternoon, a few hours ago, they voted in committee and i think people will be astonished by this. to reduce the legal liability we try to put on the rating agencies. the rating agents are a big part of this problem. paid by the...
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the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his option under 14th amendment and we hope to persuade him to do that. >> thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> kate bolduan joins us. the vote just completed in the senate side, what can you tell us? >> hey there, tom. the vote, as we expected, they effectively blocked the boehner bill. 59-41. there are 53 members who vote with the democratic party and able to pull over several republican votes actually to defeat this measure. this was largely a symbolic vote for democrats to show and others opposed to the boehner bill, for them to show this measure didn't have the support to pass in the senate
the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his...
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prepares to withdraw troops from afghanistan, another setback to report tonight. a suicide bombing has killed the mayor of kandahar, afghanistan's second largest city. the mayor who, by the way, was a dual afghan-u.s. citizen was killed when an assassin detonated explosives hidden in his turban as the mayor met with tribal elders. >>> we have been reporting this week on the famine affecting millions in the horn of africa. today, a plane carrying the first airlift of urgently needed nutritional supplements landed in somalia. the shipment will be distributed to medical facilities to help starving children. >>> when we come back, the troubled life and far too early death of an olympian we got to know in vancouver. speedy as he was, he couldn't outrun his demons. >>> and later, closing the doors of an american institution after more than 100 years. >>> the games will be ready. the taxis will be ready. and all of the people of london will be ready to welcome the world's finest athletes to the greatest games that have ever been held in the greatest city on earth. >> tha
prepares to withdraw troops from afghanistan, another setback to report tonight. a suicide bombing has killed the mayor of kandahar, afghanistan's second largest city. the mayor who, by the way, was a dual afghan-u.s. citizen was killed when an assassin detonated explosives hidden in his turban as the mayor met with tribal elders. >>> we have been reporting this week on the famine affecting millions in the horn of africa. today, a plane carrying the first airlift of urgently needed...
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but those ied blasts, especially in afghanistan and in pakistan may groove to be critical, because again, a bomb maker leaves a signature. most bomb makers continue to make their bombs the same way until they are either killed or caught. so they're going to look to see if this matches any of the information that may be in that very classified u.s. database on bomb makers around the world. wolf? >> when you get more information, let us know, barbara, thank very much. and to our viewer, stand by for all breaking news on the deadly attacks in norway. we're not leaving the story for long. we're watching president obama, trying to pull voters into the debt limit drama as the clock winds down. we're taking a closer look at where the talks stand right now. and the long distance message he's sending republicans. and the people turn against a powerful and feared state legislature who pushed for the toughest immigration laws the nation has ever seen. stay with us. the chevy cruze eco offers an epa estimated 42 miles per gallon on the highway. how does it do that? well, to get there, a lot of compl
but those ied blasts, especially in afghanistan and in pakistan may groove to be critical, because again, a bomb maker leaves a signature. most bomb makers continue to make their bombs the same way until they are either killed or caught. so they're going to look to see if this matches any of the information that may be in that very classified u.s. database on bomb makers around the world. wolf? >> when you get more information, let us know, barbara, thank very much. and to our viewer,...
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part -- the other factor is that we are now drawing down the cost of our military efforts in afghanistan and iraq. last year we spent a little over $150 billion. this year we'll spend a little over $100 billion. and the plan is to soon be down to at least $50 billion in two or three years. so over the ten-year period there'll be about eight years at nearly $50 billion or so spent on the war instead of $150 billion. that's part of the plan that we've been operating on for a long time. $150 billion for the war is not baseline expenditure of the united states. it was never projected to continue at that level, so hopefully we could bring it below $50 billion. maybe we went get to $50 billion. i don't know. but what is the reasonable estimate? i think the house republicans and the president said it would drop to $50 billion, and that would be the baseline out there for the rest of the time. that's $1 trillion. that's $1 trillion. so you take $1 trillion out of the $2.7 trillion, you're down to $1.7 trillion. and another thing that's scored in that, since that $1 trillion in war costs is score
part -- the other factor is that we are now drawing down the cost of our military efforts in afghanistan and iraq. last year we spent a little over $150 billion. this year we'll spend a little over $100 billion. and the plan is to soon be down to at least $50 billion in two or three years. so over the ten-year period there'll be about eight years at nearly $50 billion or so spent on the war instead of $150 billion. that's part of the plan that we've been operating on for a long time. $150...
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soldier says he's not going to afghanistan. >> i don't want to deploy because i believe i can't both deploy and be a muslim. >> no, police say he'd rather kill americans here at home. a twisted home grown terror plot revealed. >> meanwhile, it's back to the drawing board! again. john boehner's debt deal vote called off last night. is there anything the speaker can do with democrat insisting they'll kill it as soon as it arrives in the senate no matter what. >> he ran eight miles a
soldier says he's not going to afghanistan. >> i don't want to deploy because i believe i can't both deploy and be a muslim. >> no, police say he'd rather kill americans here at home. a twisted home grown terror plot revealed. >> meanwhile, it's back to the drawing board! again. john boehner's debt deal vote called off last night. is there anything the speaker can do with democrat insisting they'll kill it as soon as it arrives in the senate no matter what. >> he ran...
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the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his option under 9/4th amendment and we hope to persuade him to do that. >> thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> kate bolduan joins us. the vote just completed in the senate side, what can you tell us? >> hey there, tom. the vote, as we expected, they effectively blocked the boehner bill. 59-41. there are 53 members who vote with the democratic party and able to pull over several republican votes actually to defeat this measure. this was largely a symbolic vote for democrats to show and others opposed to the boehner bill, for them to show this measure didn't have the support to pass in the senat
the drawdown on savings from the drawdown on wars in iraq and afghanistan which is legitimate to do. the boehner plan says you have to have additional cuts of $1 trillion and that would necessity really murdering social security, medicare, benefits, and social security and so forth. correspond congressman nadler, thank you for joining us. hopefully between and you your republican colleagues, something will be worked out. >> if we don't work it out, the president will have to exercise his...
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they've surrendered in afghanistan. they've lost the war in afghanistan. they're beginning to pull people out of there. after ten years we have not even been able to build a security situation where karzai's main political lieutenants are protected. the mayor of kandahar was just blown up -- >> you know the white house and the defense department would say not that they've lost in afghanistan and many families who've been over there would say no, that's not the case, that they have stabilized things much more than they were before, they got bin laden, they drove a lot of these people back either into the mountains or over to the pakistani side and they're still going to keep mopping them up. that doesn't sound -- it may not sound like victory to many, but it certainly doesn't sound like defeat to others, too. >> well, it's a complete loss, tom. >> why do you say that? >> we will dress it up -- because we will dress it up for the american people as mr. panetta did today, but for 1.4 billion muslims, when the united states leaves afghanistan without accomplis
they've surrendered in afghanistan. they've lost the war in afghanistan. they're beginning to pull people out of there. after ten years we have not even been able to build a security situation where karzai's main political lieutenants are protected. the mayor of kandahar was just blown up -- >> you know the white house and the defense department would say not that they've lost in afghanistan and many families who've been over there would say no, that's not the case, that they have...